Posts by Half banana

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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

by Half banana in

a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

Half banana

It seems we are unanimous that the GB has NO AUTHORITY to demand anything of their members.

There is no evidence whatsoever that God has singled them out for special attention or given them “charge over all his belongings” (as if God exists at all).

So the recommendation is that all JWs pack your bags and stop going to the meetings and listening to or reading the UNAUTHORISED garbage which they spew out. If God were backing the WTBTS he would make sure their predictions were fulfilled without the perpetual and farcical “new light” adjustments. They have never got ANYTHING right and never will. They are a danger to family life and the innocent children who have the misfortune to be brought up in their ranks. They stifle the human spirit and only hold out the alluring hope of life in paradise which is neither theirs to offer nor will ever come true.

All in all; the JW org is a disaster.

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The Days if Noah - Is this the new unofficial generation?

by cofty in

edit - "the days of noah" damn!.

long story short - i need to go to bed!

i was in edinburgh today with my wife (football, coffee, walks, food, cinema) and i always try to take 10 minutes to have a chat with the jws on the trolley in the "big city".. i challenged an older guy who turned out to be an pioneer about the generation.

Half banana

Just had a further thought: 2034 gives about enough time for the present bunch of deluded narcissists at Watchtower HQ to live out their lives basking in the adulation, comfort and wealth as enjoyed by all US ‘televangelists’.

After the "Great disappointment of 2034" to have to sustain the cult beyond that date will then be the poisoned chalice which the next generation of GB members will inherit. It's like a game for each generation played by the incumbents to see how well they can carry it off and still remain in power.

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More Child Abuse Issues in today's Sunday Times

by snugglebunny in

there's several letters from readers published today.

there's also mention of another abuse - shunning.

i can't locate the letters on the sunday times website, can someone else have a go?

Half banana

I bought the Sunday Times especially to see the comments and they are clearly on the side of the ex JW community exposing the sadness within the old religion.

I especially liked Nick French’s comment connecting the twin evils of Jehovah's Witnesses, who was both abused by a JW and also shunned. What caring treatment JWs deliver! No doubt the abuser will be reinstated to be able to abuse again.

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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

by Half banana in

a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

Half banana

Agreed Snugglebunny, it’s their in-house myth which doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

It still leaves the question unanswered from the perspective of a new convert, “Why on earth should I listen to these people?”

Perhaps in future they won’t look for new converts ...just play the hedge funds.

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The Days if Noah - Is this the new unofficial generation?

by cofty in

edit - "the days of noah" damn!.

long story short - i need to go to bed!

i was in edinburgh today with my wife (football, coffee, walks, food, cinema) and i always try to take 10 minutes to have a chat with the jws on the trolley in the "big city".. i challenged an older guy who turned out to be an pioneer about the generation.

Half banana

"They need something to hold on to." This gets to the root of things!

It looks like the SS Watchtower is cruising along with gaping holes in its hull. The seven captains and the crew are all out to lunch but it is the passengers who are trying to find a solution to stop the ship from sinking.

From my contacts inside the KH I have gleaned that these ideas have been circulating for a while. It won’t be long before the management pick up on it and encourage the passengers to keep up the work of patching up the nasty holes in their prison ship, because they have no idea how to mend it.

Watchtower beliefs are assumptions built upon assumptions. What JWs will not consider is that there was no flood or Noah in the first place even though Jesus believed it (so why believe anything Jesus is supposed to have said?) The parallel of “Noah’s days” was promoted to cheer up the early Christian cultists to believe that like them there were few who preached, with little response. The idea of “120 years” was not the point of the story. It cannot be a parallel to the days of the original failed hope of the early church let alone any subsequent echo of it as JWs claim they are today. It makes an assumption that 1914 has Biblical significance, it assumes that prophecy actually works...it never does (even with the most excruciating contortion of meanings). Bible prophecy is never unambiguous, it has never been useful to anybody except the leaders of doomsday cults.

But come on, this is a typical JW piece of insanity. The idea of 120 years from 1914 gives the sheeple hope that the JW org is not wrong. It does not help them individually apart from keeping them attached to their life-line; the paradise hope... for they must know from experience that they will all be disappointed again in 2034 as well.

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JW going to prestigious university

by ivanatahan in

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i've been debating this, and my mother (the spiritual head of my family, she even controls my father spiritually, who is an elder) doesn't seem to be starkly against me going to a prestigious university.

in fact, i've been going over my chances, and i'd say i have a pretty decent chance of going to my dream university, oxford university, to study philosophy, politics, and economics.

naturally i wouldn't tell my mother about me wanting to take the three most hated subjects of jws at a university that would bring me into bad relations with "spiritually sound jws".. do you guys know any ex-jw or knowledgeable jw who knows ttatt that went to a randall group or ivy league school?

Half banana

Are you Ivan or Ivana? Anyway, If at all possible, do not miss out on studying at Oxford University! It will give you the confidence to excel at what you do best. It will also give a greatly enlarged income potential. You will find friends there and good company who will stay with you throughout your life.

My other half studied philosophy at Oxford before going into law and a few years back she was invited to Buckingham Palace with the likes of David Attenborough as one of four hundred people who are the leading lights in their professions in Britain.

I live not far away from the glorious city of Oxford and have taken degree courses there as a mature student. I found studying there a total delight. Whatever happens in my own life, I feel that having escaped JW indoctrination and having had a good taste of the discipline and benefits of serious study, it has given me a solid platform on which to assess information. To see how the world really works is something denied to JWs who are destined to rely on magic thinking. I think of JWs as people stumbling in a hall of mirrors in a fog, sustained only by a fruitless hope... It’s a tragedy for them. You though, have a great opportunity ahead of you and I truly wish you the very best in it.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Are Believers But Know Not What They Teach

by minimus in

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they simply belong to a religion.

they cannot explain why they follow all the dictates of the organization.

they live in blind faith.

Half banana

Perhaps it’s the nature of the evolving beast. JW org is, or until recently, trying to morph into a big player on the religious scene. More street cred and a bigger property portfolio are the aims. (Although street cred is being shot to ribbons at the moment with all the paedophile harbouring going on.) A high degree of knowledge will no longer be required for the individual JW, it will become just as it is in the RC church with the elders like the priests and the GB like the Roman Curia; they know it all, they do all the thinking, “so we don’t have to”.

This is how most religions evolve with the ‘sacred text’ lingering in the background as if giving consent to all the religious goings on. You just need faith. The door to door work is too unattractive and time consuming for the average publisher, so in the future all you will need to do is contact your non witness family members and show them your magic tablet.

With the decline in new converts, parents are just going to have to grow their own! Increase is just going to come from indoctrinating their offspring from birth (poor things). So without the need to personally understand the doctrines and with proselytising being done electronically...the brave new Electric Church of Jehovah's Witnesses will resemble all the other religions. The difference being that most Christians put faith in JC but JWs will continue to put their faith in the 'holy' governing body. Gawd bless ‘em!

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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

by Half banana in

a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

Half banana

CTR must have always believed his own hype of JC arriving as king invisibly in 1878 (having arrived in heaven 1874--- it's all written in the pyramids folks!) It was not until about 1927 that necessity forced the 'new light' that CTR was wrong and put the date forward to 1914. Russell was upset by his failure to predict the end of the ungodly and Satan-controlled world and the rapture of the consecrated by 1914. However he had created a 'business', the WTBTS with trustees, directors and loyal supporters and that is the reason Jehovah's Witnesses exist today. The GB are inheritors of CTR's doomsday business plan to give messianic hope for the gullible and needy.

The evidence for GB authority as being God directed is non-existent then. They are a just a money making ”snare and a racket”, the very thing they ridiculed other religions for.

They have become their own worst nightmare.

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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

by Half banana in

a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

Half banana

And what evidence might they supply to demonstrate it Fernando?

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What is the basis for authority for the governing body?

by Half banana in

a word to jehovahs witnesses: what is the basis for the authority the seven members of the governing body can claim in controlling the lives of eight million followers?

the organisation they represent has never got one useful piece of information correct in one hundred and thirty five years... so why should they be believed?.

Half banana

Are there no defenders of the faith out there?

The governing body of the WTBTS claim to be the exclusive channel of communication between men and God... using them as his mouthpiece! JWs agree that the only people who say they have authority from God to organise his work are the GB... and they have appointed themselves?

So as an outsider, I arrive at the Kingdom Hell and I say “How can I know that these guys in Brooklyn are the channel between God and men?”

How possibly could a believer now even attempt to claim that these men are from God?